Friday, November 13, 2015

Coffee Brake: The 4 Year Itch

The recent Mid Week Match-Up request from Jdah got me thinking when he mentioned "just off lease" cars.  Look, for all the bravado we shell out about how great it is to own used cars, I appreciate new cars as much as the next guy, the technology, smell of outgassing plastic, gadgets, and styling are all very tempting...but dropping the price of a South Dakota townhouse on my daily driver just seems extreme.  However, if you wait 4 years, that new car drops to the price of a North Dakota townhouse and it is still geologically new.  The question for today's Coffee Brake discussion is: what is the best 2011-2012 model year car you'd buy today?


Vince: One of my favorite four year old cars is the 2011 Mustang, this was the first year of the Coyote 5.0 V8 (412 horsepower and 390 ft-lbs of torque) and they feature the revised fifth generation styling (2010+). If you buy one new it'll cost at least $35k before options, but if you can find them used near $20k -- like this 2011 Ford Mustang GT offered for $22,980 buy-it-now here on eBay.  The other potentials in the Ford family for 1/2 off MSRP is a 2011 Ford F150 V6 EcoBoost or a 2011 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost.


Gianni: I was gonna say the NC Miata of course, as I'm sure the values have taken a hit with the release of the ND, but I think the NC will be thought of as the Miata that lost its way. I'm not a big fan of modern German cars and I think an off lease 2011 will be just getting to the eat you alive or at least your wallet stage. So I'm thinking Mazdaspeed 3. 280 some hp turbo in a relatively small and lively package. The only challenge would be to find one without moonshot mileage or stupid mods by the flat brim hat crowd.  Here is a 2012 Mazdaspeed3 in SF Bay Area craigslist for $12,155 from a dealer.

What would you buy from 2011-2012?  Comments below.




25 comments:

  1. actually pondering this right now and I'm leaning heavily towards an e90 M3 sedan. In it's favor:

    -would have received the 2011 mid-cycle refresh updates.
    -More than likely the last normally aspirated M-engine.
    -Just experienced a nice depreciation drop due to the introduction of the F80, so you shouldn't lose your arse on it by buying one now and enjoying it for a few years.

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  2. Easy to pick; impossible to find:

    2011 Cadillac CTS-V wagon, six speed.

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    1. The problem with this is while it is unique and somewhat useful, it's not really much of a wagon.

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    2. As long as it has the word "wagon" in it, it can be justified as practical to the Mrs.. Just ask all the guys who bought the SRT Magnums! Trailer hitches can cure the slight obfuscation of its intended practicality. Its up to the new owner to figure out what to put/hang/haul with the receiver hitch.

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    3. Well, in that case, perhaps just a touch less rare, bunch o'money but low miles, the 6.3 motor is reputed to have the same sort of secondary air-injection-passage clogging problems as E39 M5s but I don't know if there's a similar backdoor-fix for it:

      E63 wagon

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    4. I've heard you mention this a couple times now--where are you hearing this? The e63's had a recall due to the secondary air pump relay failure, but it's an external part that fails, not clogged passageways....even if the pump fails it's a $1000 fix. Nothing like the $8k+ e39 disassemble the engine/drill out the clogged passageway "real" fix on the e39.

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    5. You may well be right. I heard this from an acquaintance with a late-model C63. I haven't researched it much beyond that.

      In the case of the E39, since the clogged-passages cause no drivability problems beyond turning on the MIL so it won't pass smog in some locales, there is an approach for dealing with this in software...

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  3. E-i-C exercised his power and took my first choice! Carfax should indicate whether or not there were any problems with the manual transmission. A 2012 VW Golf R might not be a bad pick as they're not as likely to be abused by flat brimmers who would be dealt with harshly when they try to turn them back in. I'm looking forward to what happens to the price on the new US version of the hot rod Focus.

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    1. I will note that if all you're looking for is something to drive, and not something to use up tires, even the lesser 300s are pretty nice drivers.

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  5. Ever been to north dakota? Well in the hooverville of watford, a gooseneck rv goes for over $900 a month. Thats rent. Use Idaho next time. Oil states are expensive.

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  6. Alfa 159 wagon - not the best choice for a lot of reasons, but just look at it, which is the right reason

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    1. [img]http://www.presse24.com/wp-content/uploads/200/Alfa_Romeo_159_Sportwagon_06_600.jpg[/img]

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    2. It's gorgeous. U.S. legal? Available with a manual transmission? If so, where can I get one? Sign me up. Anybody know a good Alfa mechanic (with ready access to parts) in southeast Georgia?

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    3. Unfortunately the Feds will confiscate it and crush it if they catch you with it. Check out Paul Spruell Alfa in Tucker, GA.

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  7. This summer I picked up a 10K mile 2013 Honda Accord Coupe, 6 speed, V-6 for $20k (original list $35k) as my everyday car. New models look similar, so the car looks new, gets 26mpg in everyday driving, keeps up in traffic nicely, and handles very well. Although the Alfa looks really nice, I have a feeling the Honda will still be running strong after the Alfa has become asian car raw material.

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    1. Too bad that we in the U.S. will not be able to test your theory. Although I hear some rumors about excessive oil consumption with Honda/Acura V-6's and a quiet engine replacement program...

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    2. if they both manage to survive for 25 years, which one would you want then?

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    3. I'd rather been seen on the side of the road standing next to the Alfa, than spotted driving the Honda! The Accord started its life as an exciting alternative to every other car on the market. Decades later, its indistinguishable from the white rice sitting next to my mashed potatoes.

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    4. kaibeezy:
      I'll still be driving my then-to-be 50 years old Nissan Pathfinder as a haul truck for my now most-likely-to-be-a-trailer-queen Alfa!

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    5. If they both last 25 years and had the same reliability, then yes, the Alfa. Can the Alfa get there as an everyday driver? Is this about finding a car to park in the garage when the rain comes, or using it day-in and day-out? The oil issue is for pre 2012 Honda V-6 engines, but they are not alone. Audi, Subaru, and BMW engines are all involved in class action lawsuits for excessive oil consumption. Consumer Reports surveyed 500,000 cars (2010-2014) and said the worst is BMW. Owners of BMW 5 Series vehicles with V8 engines were 27 times as likely to suffer excessive oil consumption as owners of an average vehicle. Also, if I'm going to be sitting by the side of the road next to an Alfa, then my preference is a GTV 2000, and rice with mashed potatoes?

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    6. Don't know about the current crop of Alfa's, but I bought my 164 new and dailied it for 10'years. It lived outside as I had a 1 car and the GTV lived there. YMMV.

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    7. That's a starchy metaphor we were served, I believe.

      That Accord is a hoot to drive, tho. Silly throttle tip-in that makes first gear nearly useless in traffic and the ability to chirp the rubber during not only 1-2 but also 2-3 up shifts makes it an entertaining drive.

      Funny how the convo turns to Alfas after the MSP3 is mentioned in the article; I always think "Alfaesque" whenever I see these in the wild.

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    8. Yeah, the first gen 3's design was a pastiche of Alfa and Peugeot. I remember reading an article where Mazda admitted as much. The second gen 3 like the one above was just weird with its clown lips. The current KODO one looks good again in my humble opinion, but is a big car.

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  8. That early eco boost F-150 have problems in wet weather with the intercooler the later ones have less problems.
    They still suck on mileage my Brother inlaw has a 2013 and he swears he get's 21 on the Hi-way but he does have a degree in bs and he is from North Dakota .

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