Thursday, March 5, 2015

Thursday Twister: 2-Door Wagon Walkabout

Ahh...the Thursday Twister.  Like a bowl of warm honey laced with razor blades and insecticide, the Thursday Twister attracts DT's automotive savants with its sweet aroma...and then consumes them in a slow and agonizing death of one thousand cuts.  It is a good thing too -- otherwise these wild kids would be rioting in the streets of Ferguson (or Baghdad).  Today, the quiz is to find all of the 2-door wagons for sale in the North American market between 1960 and 2015.


First, a few words on the difference between a wagon and a hatchback (because we aren't looking for hatchbacks).  A hatchback has a rear D-pillar that is canted over at a severe angle, while the wagon is much more upright.  Take a look at the picture of the Focus hatch vs Focus wagon overlay below.


The Focus ZXW wagon is okay; the ZX3 hatch is not.

More examples:
BMW 5-series GT abomination =  hatch.  BMW 5-series Touring = Wagon.
VW Golf/GTI = hatch.  VW Jetta SportWagen = Wagon.

Now the tricky ones -- shooting brakes, Volvo 1800ES, BMW clownshoe -- those things... for the purpose of this competition, I'm going to say that they qualify as 2-door wagons because I love em.

Standard contest rules are as follows: 

1. Only one car per comment (be sure to hit the refresh button on your browser before you post in case someone else has posted since you loaded the page).  Do not nest the replies, just reply to the main post -- if you reply to someone elses comment it should be in reference to his comment and not a pop-up headlight submission.

2. You can post again, but only after someone else posts another car.

3. The contest will end in 24 hours.

4. One submission per generation of car.

5. Each car must be a running/driving car (no clay model prototypes) and at least two must have been built of that particular car (no one-offs). 

6. No anonymous submissions -- pick a name with the Name/URL dropdown.

Ready....Set...Start!

165 comments:

  1. VW Fox

    [img]http://www.rossvw.com/vw/pics/90foxwagon.jpg[/img]

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  2. ~ Could you clarify [or better yet simplify] this?
    ' To embed images: use [ img ]http://www.your-image-url.com [ /img ] (without the spaces). Limit images to no wider than 400 pixels in width. No more than one image per comment please. '

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    1. ~ der 6er Touring.
      https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10426085_961094203920067_2169696545892025644_n.jpg?oh=ace935cb79d2a28711597a3f285919e9&oe=5576E32B

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    2. Too bad the Google platform doesn't allow width attributes so we could re size them ourselves.

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    3. Don't know if this helps, but can anybody implement this here on DT? The last option would seem to be the most advantageous.

      How to automatically resize Blogger images:
      Go to Template > Customize > Advanced > Edit CSS and paste the following code. Adding code to this section automatically adds it into your Template in the CSS section (Template > Edit HTML > above ]]> ) so you can manually add the code this way if you prefer.

      .post-body img { width:400px; height:auto; }

      or

      .post-body img { min-width:400px; min-height:auto; }

      or to create a maximum width

      .post-body img { max-width:400px; max-height:auto; }

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    4. I'll let Vince field that one, but I think it would only work for the images in the main post; not sure about images embedded in comments.

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    5. Here's Scot's image:

      [img]https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10426085_961094203920067_2169696545892025644_n.jpg?oh=ace935cb79d2a28711597a3f285919e9&oe=5576E32B[/img]

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    6. Scot, you have to type the word "img" within brackets [ ] before and after your image link. Put a backslash before the word: "/img" in the brackets after the link to close it out. The 400 pixel width limit is just a request to commenters to use images within that width, otherwise they hang off to the right like the one above.

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  3. [img]http://www.robietherobot.com/storm/mystormart/GeoStormWagon9091.jpg[/img]

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    1. ^ Geo Storm Wagonback, for those who aren't brain-damaged enough to remember those cars when new.

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  4. Rest easy folks, I'm sitting this one out. I don't want to be "that guy"! Oh wait, it's probably too late.

    [img]http://theimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/that-guy.jpg[/img]

    But I will keep a list and add entries of my own into that. I'll send the list of the cars found by the DTers (not including mine) to you, Vince, when it's all over, unless Kaibeezy or one of the other staff does it first. Doesn't matter to me; I'm going to do it one way or another anyway.

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  5. OPEL Sportwagon
    [img]http://stationwagonforums.com/forums/gallery/files/1/1974_opel_sportwagon5.jpg[/img]

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  6. Ford Pinto Wagon

    [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JYfnPHXBJ1M/UWEN5wMyOyI/AAAAAAAAIL0/l9SBDVJXyvo/s640/Pinto_wagon_72_3.jpg[/img]

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  7. Ford Falcon

    [img]http://hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/1963FalconWagon_dsfg-720x352.jpg[/img]

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  8. 1961 Ford Ranch Wagon, the last big two-door wagon:

    [img]https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTH3o5H9At9Nkacul_yZNrrTEQmYclrtC3qINasXIgMDnZWTMr2[/img]

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  9. VW Type 3 Squareback

    [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/1966_Volkswagen_1600_Squareback.jpg/271px-1966_Volkswagen_1600_Squareback.jpg[/img]

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  10. VW 411/412 Variant:

    [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Typ_4_412_Variant_aus_Offenbach.JPG/220px-Typ_4_412_Variant_aus_Offenbach.JPG[/img]

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    1. I hate to be that guy, but...

      "2. You can post again, but only after someone else posts another car."

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  11. Fleetwood T. BroughamMarch 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    I gotta confess to not having a ton o' interest in this one topically, but here's a favorite of mine from the "oh yeah, I forgot they made those" category.

    Nissan Pulsar Sportbak
    [img]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--vz-Sxtrh--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18gcdq7i5e7nsjpg.jpg[/img]

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  13. There are definitely more than two of these...

    [img]http://www.sheldonaubut.com/vettewagon/webber/webber1.jpg[/img]

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    1. uh, sorry, forgot to tag it a 70's corvette wagon...

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    2. Google 'Mustang Wagon' and based on the number of results you'd almost think it was a production model.

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  14. Ford Country Squire (49-51)

    [img]http://classiccarmagazine.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/1949-Ford-Country-Squire.jpg[/img]

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    1. whoops. not so good with dates apparently.

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  15. Chevy Nomad:

    [img]http://www.keithsrestoration.com/images/past_projects/1955chevy_nomad/finished.jpg[/img]

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    1. Oops, about 3 years too early.

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  16. Vince, does it need to be front-engine and can it be electric? Lessons learned from the last challenge...

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    1. Engine location is free as is choice of power plant. Curious to what you are thinking? Is there as Tesla wagon out now?

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    2. Rear-engine opens the field up a bit. As you know, the electric question came up in the last challenge, but was never determined right or wrong by the admin. Ahem. There are two-door wagons out there that have these elements. But since I'm not playing this time, I'll leave it for my fellow DTers to find them. Hint hint, nudge nudge.

      Just to be completely nasty and grumpy about it, all you guys that have posted already are playing the game completely wrong. All you're achieving is making it harder on yourselves when the 24 hours is up.

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    3. "completely wrong" Depends......are they going to do the "last poster before cutoff" wins, or "most unique submissions" wins? They didn't say. If it's the former, it would be dumb to post now. If it's the latter, it would be dumb to not post now, while choices are ample.

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    4. Judging by the last challenge, none of that matters. It's just whomever Vince picks...oh he's gonna like it when he reads this...randomly.

      If the last challenge winner was determined by the number of correct submissions, then that player did not win. If the last challenge winner was determined by the very last poster, then that player also did not win. So that leaves only one way to "win" and that's to build a list of cars, eliminating them from your list if and when they're listed by other members (which is why it's futile to post now) and then wait to the very last minute to post like a madman, essentially firebombing the site with the hope that you'll find the needle in the haystack. This is not a game of skill, knowledge or research ability. AND, if everybody's going to do what I'm suggesting, then it's going to be like pissing in the wind, hoping to hit the target. But that's the game; are you in or are you out?

      If you really want to get dark, then you also have to factor in favoritism and if you might be perceived as being deserved of being knocked down a notch or two. But I ain't going there because that would be really, really sad and disturbing. I'm sure that's not what happened with the last challenge. No. Couldn't be.

      I will remind you, Anonymous, that you really need to come up with a username. That's just courtesy. Vince and his team took the time to build this awesome site and you should show them some respect by following this simple rule. I've noticed that it's next to impossible to do that on my iPhone and if that's the issue for you, just sign your comment in the comment. Something like the below would be super easy to do.

      - K2 Mystery Car

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    5. how about this > each good post gets you one ticket in the fishbowl, and vince picks from the fishbowl at random

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    6. What if the fish eat the tickets?

      What if he pulls out a fish instead?

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    7. oh, right, good point - let's see...

      - he could write the numbers with a sharpie on little plastic babies, embed those in fish food, add several large hungry fish, wait a day, pick a fish, crockpot that, serve to a crowd of... i dunno, oompa loompas, and whoever finds the baby first shouts out "doompa dee DOOO!!!", see what number it is, do a reverse lookup, and walla walla, there's your winner

      - he could use a metaphorical fishbowl

      other ideas?

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    8. No, that sounds about right. But why bother with the dolls, fish food, fish, time period, crockpot, oompa loompas, weirdly gargled proclamation, numbers, reverse lookup, a city in Washington, bowl and the tickets. It would be much more efficient if you left those out of the equation.

      This one might come up or it might not. What about SUVs? Here are a couple that come to mind that would fit the current rules. Unless I'm mistaken. Which I'm sure I will be skewered and flambéed over, if I am. AND they both have the word "Wagon" in their model names. I think it would be a mistake to just blankly proclaim "no trucks". Why? Because dogs love trucks.

      [img]http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/1961_Willys_Wagon_4x4_California_Farm_Jeep_1.JPG[/img]

      [img]http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/1977_AMC_Jeep_Cherokee_Chief_401_V8_4x4_For_Sale_Front_1.jpg[/img]

      What am I up to today? I'm glad you asked! Here's me from 15 minutes ago. Seriously. That's me.

      [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OapEVbNxBEM/VPjKiFOlDoI/AAAAAAAAGFI/pYY7nRyeK_Y/s1600/snowblower2.jpg[/img]

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    9. It's 75 degrees here. We could use water, hell we could use snow, but I think I'll go work on my tan ;)

      As for the SUVs-as-wagons - there's 'trucks' and there's 'not quite trucks' and I've been loath to post anything like a first-gen Range Rover (which isn't a truck, but it's not quite a car either) lest that can of worms be opened.

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    10. Who said anything about a prize?

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    11. Jealous! I'm a SoCal boy at heart, though I haven't lived there in a million years. I could use some warm weather about now.

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    12. But I love living where I do. I wouldn't go back to CA. Been there, done that, though I wouldn't mind a vacation right about now.

      Still, it was bad enough today that nobody left their homes. That's definitely is a plus! Sat around and caught up on "The Walking Dead", in between doing other stuff. The snow is beautiful and fun to run around in.

      [img]http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-car-parking-snow-window.jpg[/img]

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    13. K2MC- Looks like you've got a Craftsman 26" 7hp, (with headlight?) with the dual control handles that let you hold onto just one to keep both the auger and drive wheels going. That is one fine machine! When I moved from MI, there was a fierce bidding frenzy among my neighbors to get access to it. Nothing cuts the deep stuff like a Craftsman! Keep those extra sheer-pins handy for the deep wet stuff. As for me, I'm walking around in shorts looking at snow in the mountains! :)

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    14. Next question/loophole/rulebreaker...what about CUVs? There are several that fit the rules.

      Hunsbloger, fantastic eye! Mine is indeed a Craftsman, but I've got the 24" 179cc model with no headlight. You're absolutely spot on that it's an amazing machine; couldn't live without it unless we hired a company to come do it. We have a pretty long driveway and pathway and I even cut trails out in the yard for the dogs (who are a bunch of pansies, frankly).

      You're nuts to walk around in the snow in your short pants. Not for me, my friend!

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    15. So what's next, a snowblower topic? I'm sure right now two-thirds of the country would have an opinion.

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    16. Actually, that might be fun...for some of us at least. Not so much for the folks in the warmer climates like you, of course. Understandable. Still, there are many people who don't even know who Arthur Sicard is and that ain't right. No sir, not right at all.

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    17. K2MC - I said I was looking at snow, not walking around in it! You know the So-Cal drill. Its sunny and in the 70's here, but snow's just a few miles up the road.

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    18. People here DO, though. As I was out with the snow blower, I kept hearing a noise that I couldn't identify. I finally realized it was my (adult) neighbor doing a belly flop onto a sled sliding down his frozen driveway...in shorts. Folks are nutz! That seems to be a thing these days with the youth; they refuse to wear a jacket and appropriate winter wear. And then they can't figure out why they keep getting sick.

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  17. Ford Anglia 105E Estate (yeah, some got here):

    [img]http://www.anglia-models.co.uk/images/photosestate/estate03.jpg[/img]

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  18. Chevy Vega Kammback Wagon:

    [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/71_Chevrolet_Vega_Kammback_Wagon.jpg[/img]

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  19. 64 Chevelle

    [img]http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/comment-image/208253.jpg[/img]

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  20. 128 2 door wagon.

    [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pXOE5TyIAj8/U6NvkqXbmOI/AAAAAAAAa4s/XEb44Mh9W1c/s1600/1ab.jpg[/img]

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    1. Rat's I thought the smaller image on the original DT post would be different, but it was probably resized with the template.

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  21. Just for the record, Vince already submitted the following wagons:

    Saab 95
    Ford Focus
    BMW 5 Series
    Volkswagon Jetta

    Sincerely, Captain Obvious

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    1. The Ford Focus, BMW 5 Series, and Volkswagen Jetta are actually all ineligible for this competition because they aren't 2-door wagons. Or 3-door, however you want to count doors.

      :-D

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    2. You're right! I just thought I'd post them so that there was no confusion...which I just made more of in the process now, didn't I?!

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  22. If clownshoes count, this has to too right?

    [img]http://www.richardcalver.com/GT30123c.jpg[/img]

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    1. Jenson Healy GT, 1976. The page I lifted this from calls it an estate body.

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  24. Let's see how many more times I can screw up the image post:

    [img]https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQC68VAyWoNd3hbzQUDpVwXvC82HsBgbkTfFBNdzfrYkigUw4OhSg[/img]

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    1. Mid '70s Lotus Elite. One of the less-loved Lotae.



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  28. Toyota Corolla

    [img]http://www.ebaymotorsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/1970-Toyota-Corolla-2-door-Wagon1.jpg[/img]

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  29. AMC Pacer, in this case specifically the wagon but under the Clown Shoe Rule I suspect even the standard version qualifies:

    [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/AMC_Pacer_rear.jpg/220px-AMC_Pacer_rear.jpg[/img]

    If a lift-up piece of glass qualifies as a tailgate probably even the Gremlin fits.

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  30. Bolo: Tempus fugit.

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    1. name a 2-door wagon :)

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    2. [img]https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608010860988860225&pid=15.1&P=0[/img]

      It appears that I may have missed the Thursday Twister deadline, but here is my entry - the Astra G Van, sold in Mexico.

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    3. The student becomes the master!

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  31. Jaguar Lynx Eventer

    [img]http://www.kwecars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Lynx-Eventer-No.62-940x520a.jpg[/img]

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    1. Are we just throwing the "sold in North America" rule out the window now? (please say yes)

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    2. If you do, then apres moi, le deluge.

      There's dozens of smallish wagons that were never sold in North America that'd be fair game.

      I've got dibs on the Trabant Universal...

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    3. oh, north america... mumble mumble... provincials... mumble...

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    4. Excellent question. If not, then 20% of the cars listed thus far (as of March 5, 2015 at 2:18 PM) are most likely ineligible.

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    5. Don't think it's that bad - the 105E Anglia, Jensen GT, KE26 Corolla, and Lotus Elite were definitely sold in the US, you could order the Anglia through a Ford dealer though most didn't bother with the English Fords.

      Was going to post the Triumph Herald wagon earlier, but can't find evidence of US sales - the sedans were sold here, and tested in all the US mags. Likewise the Datsun 1200.

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    6. Here is the suspect list, as of March 5, 2015 at 4:13 PM:
      1. Opel Sportwagen (do you mean the Ascona/Caravan/Voyage?)
      2. Ford Anglia 105E (see below)
      3. Fiat 128 Familiare (no evidence that this model was sold in the US)
      4. Jaguar Lynx Eventer (67 made, couldn't find any evidence that any were sold in the US)
      5. Volkswagen Brasilia (Built in Mexico, never sold in USA)

      I don't know everything; so if you have proof that they were sold in dealers in the USA, please provide it to me so that I can update the list and my information database! I would love to know if what I have is incorrect.

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    7. By my estimation, you guys are up to 21 cars that (arguably) fit the criteria that Vince laid out thus far.

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    8. Regarding the FIAT 128:

      "The car came to the United States late in the 1971 model year as a two-door sedan, a four-door sedan, and a two-door wagon; it would stay through the end of the decade."

      Automobile magazine collectible classic: FIAT 128

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    9. I am sure the Jag and the VW were never sold in the US, but the criteria was North America, and the VW was manufactured in Mexico from '74-82.

      The Opel (US 1900 elsewhere Ascona) and Fiat were definitely sold in the US and clearly documented in the US sales literature of the time (I have a 1974 Opel 1900 sales brochure around here somewhere....)

      I personally know of Anglia estates sold in the US but cannot provide definitive documentation without more research.

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    10. K2MC- Opel Sportwagon was the US badge name for the Ascona wagon, definitely sold in US through Buick have driven a couple and have it on my bucket list to restomod.
      As previously stated the Anglia was available through Ford just like the Vauxhall was through Pontiac. They didn't do big numbers but count on finding one in a barn in a college town near you. You could also add the Hillman Estate to that as well. Agreed that the Aventer is a kit car and the Brasilia is as its name describes a Brazilian based car. I'm not going to include the Vauxhall as it was just a rebadged Opel wagon and I'm not into listing every model update of the same car. The Opel Sportwagon is basically just the evolution of the 1950's Opel/Vauxhall wagon.

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    11. I have no doubt that most of these cars exist here in the States, in small numbers or large. My question is regarding the validity of whether they were sold here through dealers (which you know and I know you know). Here's the information that I currently have:

      The Brasilia was built in and sold in Mexico (so that might make it acceptable for the challenge), but created primarily for the Brazilian market (thus the name) as a Beetle successor. Otherwise, my records indicate it was also sold in other parts of South America and the Philippines. Oddly, it was apparently also sold as a kit in parts of Africa.

      I was a little confused about the Opel and appreciate the clarification. The "Sportwagen" name threw me. I get it now; you guys are talking about the Buick-Opel 1900 3-door estate. I've updated my master list!

      I have no doubt that Anglia were sold here, but I've never heard of one sold other than through a private transaction/importation. I am unaware of them being sold through Ford dealers, much less any of their affiliates.

      I've removed the Jaguar Lynx Eventer from the list entirely, but I'll be happy to re-enter it should more info come to light.

      If you can post a copy of any further supporting documentation or point me to information online, that would be awesome. I'd like to correct my list and add that to my Ye Olde Database O' Knowledge.

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    12. I completely blew past your comment above regarding the 128, Gianni. That's definitely a source I trust and I fixed it in the list. Thanks!

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  32. This one might be pushing the boundaries a bit but it's most definitely a shooting brake: Lancia Beta HPE

    (High Performance Estate)

    [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AbVCBRuLOT8/UWiUYpuDJaI/AAAAAAAAIN8/_sHOyMJpM4E/s640/Lancia_Beta_HPE_79_1a.jpg[/img]

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    1. You're safe under the Clown Shoe Safe Harbor.

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  33. Are hearses fair game?

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    1. If hearses were fair game, then so would Ford Transit sized vans...so...no hearses. Plus, they are by and large aftermarket conversions on existing wagon chassisssessssess..

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  34. 2002 Touring?
    If der 6'er Touring counts...

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    1. Never sold new in the US, can you turn up evidence it was sold in Canada or Mexico?

      I'm guessing there's a fair bit of mining to be done of European and South American vehicles sold in Mexico in the '60s and '70s, since that still qualifies as 'North America', and there's a few Euro vehicles sold in Canada that didn't get to the US but I can't think of any longroofs.

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    2. Wikipedia calls this a '3-door hatchback' but the length of the roof and the vertical rear screams 'wagon' to me:

      VW Brasilia, also in Mexico in the '70s.

      [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Volkswagen_brasilia1.jpg/280px-Volkswagen_brasilia1.jpg[/img]

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    3. Not in US, but there was its "beautiful" step sister the 412.

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    4. I'm sure Hunsbloger is correct, but I believe the government classified this car (the 2002) as a hatchback and I've removed it from the results list until told to do so otherwise. The Type 4 has already been submitted and is on the list.

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    5. Before you BMW freaks jump all over me, I know the dif between the Touring, coupes and sedans.

      Gotta head that shtuff off at the pass or they'll skin me alive with their rapier wit and social skillz.

      [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6M7Y1VMaiJ4/VPnDgSwj6iI/AAAAAAAAGFw/GZXVVKAXoBs/s1600/bmw.jpg[/img]

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  35. Then, there are 2 door and the 3-door early Suburbans... could show a picture of the curb-side with just two doors and hope to slip it in unnoticed.

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    1. A perfect example. The question is...is it allowed? I hope so because that would make the results that much more interesting for you guys. Where are you at geographically, roughly? Northeast? Midwest? Northwest? Canada?

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    2. Even though my Suburban is registered as a 'station wagon' as far as California is concerned, I'd say that if it shares significant chassis mechanicals with something sold as a cab/bed vehicle it doesn't meet the criteria here.

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    3. That is precisely the question for Mr. Vince to answer. Paging Mr. Vince to the white courtesy phone...bunch of Qs for ya!

      [img]http://lowres.cartoonstock.com/telecommunications-customer_service-courtesy_phone-phone_manner-telephone_manner-impolite-rmon2445_low.jpg[/img]

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    4. I thought about that issue of Chassis with the 3 door Suburban but it was nothing more than a body on frame construction just like the Nomad or other GM 2 door wagon/panel wagon.

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    5. A good point, Hunsbloger. I think we've only succeeded in muddying the waters further. I have this vision of Vince sitting there maniacally cackling over the chaos he's created. But you know him personally; does he do these sorts of things intentionally?

      [img]http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140805055410/super-villain/images/9/91/3998596-dr-evil.jpg[/img]

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  36. Fleetwood T. BroughamMarch 5, 2015 at 3:39 PM

    Ferrari FF (it's more of a wagon than the clown shoe ever was!)

    [img]http://someinterestingfacts.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Ferrari-FF.jpg[/img]

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    1. I think the Organizers' criterion of two units built is a little weak, that would cover any number of first-generation Mustangs converted to wagons by third-parties as long as the third-party did more than one of them.

      Similarly - was this thing ever manufactured in a manner that involved design and fabrication of tooling, or was it Luigi, Guido, and Pietro pounding panels on sandbags?

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    2. They made 800 in the first year of production, so I'd guess it was the former.

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    3. Okay, it's 4WD, so that means the first-gen Range Rover qualifies too...

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  37. 1960 Ford "Tudor" Ranch Wagon

    [img]https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8028/7161856423_52e9101503_z.jpg[/img]

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    1. Blogger just spit up at me again...

      It must have cost Ford a bunch to tool those rear quarters for a car that sold twenty or whatever units.

      I'm sure the doors are 2-door sedan doors, and the glass is a mix of this-n-that, but the quarters are definitely unique.

      Like with that '61 I posted earlier - I've spent a lot of time looking at '61-64 Ford wagons, and I've never in my life seen a '61 2-door in the flesh.

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    2. Seriously - I've seen a few of the '50s Ford & Edsel 2-door wagons in the flesh (steel?) but never a '60 or '61. Any version of the 1960 fullsize Ford is getting pretty scarce. I remember reading that it was a sales flop because the styling was too far-out for the baseball & apple pie wholesome family image crowd. Too bad, because it's one of Ford's best retro-futurist designs in my opinion.

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    3. There were a couple Mercury designs of that vintage that were even more so, carried the theme to the interior. Never been a fan of the '60 Ford but those Mercuries ('61?) were something special.

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  38. Third gen Civic hatch seems to have a D pillar to fit the definition [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3e/Image-Karma%40Reservoir%2702s.jpg/330px-Image-Karma%40Reservoir%2702s.jpg[/img]

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    1. I believe the government classified this car as a hatchback and I've removed it from the results list until told to do so otherwise.

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  39. I thought contests were supposed to be fun... Como why?

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    1. Only to the wicked.

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  40. Volvo's slightly less refined cousin?
    [img]http://www.americandreamcars.com/1960rambleramerican2drwagon0511.jpg[/img]

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    1. Hadn't even occurred to me to look...

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  41. [img]http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/comment-image/208253.jpg[/img]1964-1965

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  42. duh...never mind.

    try this 1960 Lark:
    [img]http://hem.bredband.net/b284654/IMAGES/1960Lark_VIII_DeLuxe_2dr_wagon.jpg[/img]

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    1. Crap. Just posted a 61. If id have looked 2 inches upwards.

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    1. Wait, no hatch. More like a big crx.

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  44. [img]http://www.manxgallery.org/gallery/albums/album166/kyoteII70a.jpg[/img]

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  45. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=61+2+door+lark+wagon&view=detail&id=DEA2595D8AC32C3C3B05433FDC9A3A05AD5B3A0A&first=8&count=1&FORM=IDFRIR. 61 lark

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  46. [img]http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/chevrolet/1960-chevrolet-station-wagon-photo.html[/img]

    1960 Chevy Brookwood / Parkwood / Kingswood / Nomad

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  47. Although never sold in the US from what I gather, there were plans to market them here, as well as cosmetic refinements being made in preparation for import. As a plus, it also meets the criteria for the challenge from two weeks ago. So, despite the canted D-pillar, would you say a Volvo 480 is eligible? Great looking cars either way, IMO.

    [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Volvo480_TwoTone.JPG[/img]

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    1. I drove one of these! Unfortunately, even here in Germany, almost no one else did, since people refused to buy Volvos that don't look like fridges. But the equipment was WAY ahead of its time and since it's a Volvo, almost every 480 that has been built is still running - 300.000km+ without having serious troubles are the norm, so you have a strong fan community in order to keep it that way. http://www.der-kleine-elch.de/

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  48. Here you go guys: '78 Ford Pinto wagon...with fake wood!

    http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/4899462160.html

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  49. Toyota Trekker? (the true first generation 4runner)
    They did not have a separate cab/bed like a pickup truck.
    Wiki reports 1500 of these were produced, and there are still a few offered for sale on Craigslist.

    [img]https://speedhero.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/sc0509-78944_1.jpg[/img]
    [img]http://www.coldsplinters.com/audio/Screen-Shot-2012-01-08-at-6.02.58-PM.png[/img]

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    1. I'll pass this on to my Father in law...he'll be thrilled it was remembered. He was the VP of marketing for Toyota NA at the time and came up with this truck as the proof of concept for the 4 runner!

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    2. That's cool!

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    3. Ask him if the name Jack Safro rings a bell ;-)

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  50. Found this gem too: '88 Nissan Pulsar NX wagon back

    http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/4915817991.html

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    1. Look up ^^^ homie. Great minds think alike.

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    2. Good advice, FTB. I believe Adam will now notice the ceiling.

      Sorry, Adam. Just having a bit of fun at your expense! That's actually a really good find. I can't believe I actually considered buying one of these when they came out. NOW who is the fool!?!

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  51. Not sure if any were sold in NA, but 8 were produced originally, and they are now building another batch.

    DP Motorsport 944 Cargo:

    [img]http://img.favcars.com/porsche/944/porsche_944_1988_photos_1_b.jpg[/img]

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    1. building another batch! - got a link? - well, hang on, i can google too... http://www.dp-motorsport.de/16.html?&L=1&news=54&cHash=8f324c3235

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    2. Pricing in EUR and VAT...you guys want to call this one a good one or not? Up to you. If you do, then I'll add it to the list. I'd vote no; it's in the same league as the 'Stang and 'Vette aftermarket mods, to me.

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  52. 70 El Dorado

    [img]http://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Cadillac-1970-Eldorado-wagon.jpg[/img]

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  53. Only 11 minutes to go in the contest guys...we need to pick up the pace!

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    1. FIREBOMB NOW. DIVE! DIVE! DIVE!

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  54. Envoy Epic
    [img]https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2517/4487371265_0a808d5ac2.jpg[/img]

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    1. That one was awesome, Sean. I'd say, "Truly epic!" but that would be silly of me. But really, that's a great one. Nice job!

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  55. Where you at, O Fearless Leader? Working, having a life...whatever for?

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    1. Bet this is the last Thursday Twister contest we see for a while...

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    2. Why do you say that, Gianni? The Twisters certainly encourages lots of user discussion and interaction. It would be sad to remove such a lively element.

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    3. All the angst about fishbowls, Hotwheels hot glued to scraps of wood, etc. I think the premise is good, I'd just leave off the prize and time limit stuff if this were my site. The stuff people come up with is fun as is the only one submission at a time.

      I do wonder if it would work better without the inline images, so a list could be compiled easier. I tried to parse the XML behind the comments and put it in Excel so some visualizations could be generated, but gave up.

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    4. I'm keeping the list because I'm nutz so that isn't an issue, at least for now. I might see something shiny and wander off. I think your suggestions are excellent and I wonder if it would behoove Vince to actually make a post asking everyone what they think. I've already said my fill on the subject and I'm sure he's heard enough from me. But I would most vehemently vote to keep the images because it's not nearly as interesting without the visuals. It's a great reminder for those of us who appreciate such things and it's an educational tool for those that these things are new to. To me, it would be the equivalent to asking kids to go to school while wearing a blindfold. Actually, that's not a bad idea.

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    5. I was thinking it would be cool to take the list, add country of origin, era, etc and then use something like Tableau Public to do some analysis on the results. The images make it harder to scrape out the data, but for humans it is cooler to look at pictures vs. data, plus it's easier to call B.S. on entries ;-)

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    6. That would be super cool, for sure. I'm waiting for the call that the challenge is over, then I'll post the list of what you guys came up with. If you want to do what you're describing, I would love to see that!

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  56. Oh! Just ran across this one on CL!

    [img]http://images.craigslist.org/00i0i_fYNZAzche1I_600x450.jpg[/img]

    1963 AMC Rambler American

    Somebody should buy it! http://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/4896153445.html

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  57. And just because someone has to stick a fork in this topic sooner or later, no never sold new in North America but, like Ebola, some seem to hop the ditch anyway. Ladies and gentleman, the Trabant 601 Universal:

    [img]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVB9fARTTohSqM7AzXzFxvRGDa20DL5_cYVPxtPlZQKsM7M48a[/img]

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    1. Glad you pointed this one out. It's crazy how such a terrible vehicle can somehow have a bit of panache. Trabi forever! Or never, as the case may be.

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  58. '64 Buick Vista 2-door Wagon / Buick Gran Sport Sportwagon / Buick Gran Sport Custom Wagon / Skylark 2-door Sport Wagon

    [img]http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Buick-vista-wagon-2-door.png[/img]

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    1. Hate to bust your bubble Trdsmith but I know that car because I've lusted after it for a couple of years now. Its a homemade custom. Its apparently a 2 door skylark that's had a wagon rear put on it. Its been offered up on ebay a couple of times in the past two years. Its also got a modern driveline in it.

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  59. The Triumph Herald Estate Wagon was not officially sold in the US, but Standard-Triumph USA brought in several for their staff, and the wagon was available through their "Personal Export Delivery" program. (I know of one extant wagon that was purchased by someone then with NATO, and another was purchased originally by a US serviceman stationed in Italy.) So these should qualify.

    [img]http://www.fairpoint.net/~herald948/database/wattsest.jpg[/img]

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  60. Wake me up when it's over.

    [img]https://www.wordans.com.au/wvc-1348528223/wordansfiles/images/2012/9/24/162927/162927_340.jpg[/img]

    ...or is this some sort of mind game? I think the gub'ment is watching us crazy car fanatics to see if we'll explode. Oops! There goes another one! I've got five bucks on the one with dark hair. Yep, that one's gonna lose it next, for sure.

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    1. Or it might be the darn French Ninja strikes again!

      [img]https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2365/2308770891_58cf48cc91.jpg[/img]

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  61. Well, I don't know what up with the challenge being declared over, but here's the list of cars that you guys came up with. I also selected many of the same cars on my "external" list, but a couple of them really surprised me; especially Bolo's Astra and Sean's Epic. Got a bone to pick with my list? Let me know, but come armed with evidence 'cuz I'ma gonna aska for ita!

    DT 2-DOOR WAGON & SHOOTING BRAKE CHALLENGE
    1. AMC Pacer
    2. Buick-Opel 1900
    3. Cadillac Eldorado
    4. Chevrolet Brookwood
    5. Chevrolet Chevelle
    6. Chevrolet Vega
    7. Envoy Epic
    8. Ferrari FF
    9. Fiat 128 Familiare
    10. Ford Falcon
    11. Ford Pinto
    12. Ford Ranch Wagon
    13. Geo Storm
    14. Jensen GT
    15. Lancia Beta HPE
    16. Lotus Elite
    17. Nissan Pulsar
    18. Opel Astra G-Van
    19. Rambler American
    20. Saab 95
    21. Studebaker Lark
    22. Toyota Corolla
    23. Volkswagen 411/412 (Type 4)
    24. Volkswagen Fox
    25. Volkswagen Type 3 Squareback
    26. Volvo C30

    Rule Benders
    1. BMW 2002 Touring (hatchback)
    2. Chevrolet Suburban (SUV)
    3. Ford Anglia 105E (sold in NA?)
    4. Honda Civic (hatchback)
    5. Range Rover (SUV)
    6. Toyota Trekker (truck)
    7. Volkswagen Brasilia (sold in NA?)

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    1. How many of you, when you first read the challenge, thought of the Fox? I know I did. Nice job, Gianni. I think that's the first and last time I've ever thought of that car without shrugging my shoulders and rolling my eyes. But it a perfect example of a two-door wagon.

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    2. By my count and despite not always waiting for the next poster to comment before adding a car, mrkwong had the most cars that fit the rules. Sean T was the final poster. You're both whiners - I mean winners! - in my book!

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    3. And now that it's all (theoretically) over, here are the cars I'd add to your excellent choices.

      1. BMW M Coupe
      2. BMW Z3 Coupe
      3. Chevrolet Monza
      4. Datsun 1000
      5. Datsun 1200
      6. Datsun 210
      7. Datsun B-210
      8. Mazda 1200 http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL1717/10362177/23913145/399872520.jpg
      9. Mercury Bobcat
      10. Mercury Colony Park
      11. Mercury Comet
      12. Mercury Commuter
      13. Mini Clubman
      14. Opel Kadett
      15. Pontiac Astre Safari
      16. Pontiac Sunbird Safari
      17. Toyota Crown
      18. Volvo 1800ES

      Rule Benders
      1. Audi 80 Variant (sold in NA?)
      2. Chevrolet Biscayne Delivery (Panel/Delivery)
      3. Chevrolet HHR Panel (Panel/Delivery)
      4. Ford Courier (Panel/Delivery)
      5. Ford Explorer/Mazda Navajo (SUV)
      6. Jeep Cherokee (SUV)
      7. Jeep Grand Wagoneer (SUV)
      8. Mazda 1300 (sold in NA?)
      9. Mazda 800 (sold in NA?)
      10. Morris 1000 (sold in NA?)
      11. Nissan Pathfinder (SUV)
      12. Reliant Scimitar GTE (sold in NA?)
      13. Renault 12 Service (Mexico, Panel/Delivery)
      14. Renault 4 Fourgonnette (Mexico, Panel/Delivery)
      15. Subaru 1000 (sold in NA? )
      16. Sunbeam Alpine (sold in NA?)
      17. Toyota 4Runner (truck)
      18. Toyota RAV4 (SUV)

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    4. Oops. Forgot to delete that one image link when I copy and pasted my list. Sorry about that. Edit shmedit.

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    5. This was my rule breaker. One off 78 Lincoln.

      [img]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4140/4749657017_129a354f3b_b.jpg[/img]

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    6. That must have a fantastic turning radius!

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    7. That car doesn't have a turning radius, it has an orbit.

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    8. Heh heh. Couldn't you just picture cruising along, stopping for a stop light and glancing over and this guy is sitting behind the wheel?

      [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0FGfrv3VNTg/T9Ih_2lJZ2I/AAAAAAAAAKk/3zHDVPEkvFY/s1600/captainbirdseye.jpg[/img]

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